Question:
Economy in the tank???
anonymous
2008-01-21 06:14:32 UTC
You do not have to be an economist to realize our economy is rocky at best. It amazes me that the "get people off the government dole" folks are now going to create more dependency on governent by handing out free money. From my view point Dubya is trying to spend his way out of a problem created by to much debt to begin with. How well do you think the rebate program will work in lessening this economic situation we are in?
Six answers:
Kiker
2008-01-21 08:07:11 UTC
Let's look at this without the biases, shall we. Afterall, this is an important situation we are in...and the parties would love nothing more than to allow this to divide us...so, lets see what common-sense-less-emotion has to say.



1) The US economy has been declining since 1999, taking the US Dollar with it. Since that timeframe the USD has declined ~39% by 2007...though there was a brief jump of 4% in value towards the end of Q4 07, and we are looking at another 4% this quarter. When Clinton came into office, the CBO had forecasted a massive surplus due to the investments made in the 80s, and to the budget cuts made by Bush senior. This was such a huge issue for Perot, as his campaign was spent doing nothing but talking about preserving this. Americans didnt want that, they followed Clinton's plan to spend it on much needed domestic reform...afterall, the Evil Empire was gone. This spending injected more money into the economy, which was already poised to do well thanks to billions being invested in IT and Technology starting back in the late 70s.



2) When the USD declines in value, Oil prices naturally go up. Why? Because Oil, like all Commodites, is traded in the USD internationally. So, when the Fed lowers the interest rate, thereby reducing the value of the currency, Oil goes up (since Oil has a limited supply). Even worse, 99.9% of the OPEC countries peg their currency to the USD. So when the USD drops in value due to rate cuts, their currency drops in value. The MidEast countries are not too happy right now about this, since they have been fighting double digit inflation..they need the fed to raise rates...not lower them. Since the Fed doesn't listen to the MidEast Oil countries, the have to adjust production to control inflation...inevitably forcing up rates.



3) Dubya's plan is typical of a NeoCon, but then, it could be worse. This problem needs a long-term solution. Being a NeoCon, he wants to cut taxes but increase spending...a very stupid combination, as the only way to fund this spending would be to increase debt spending..which means tax hikes in the future generations. The Democrat idea, unfortunately, isn't even better. They want to increase spending to inject capital into the economy so consumers and businesses start spending again...and they want a temporary tax cut...

the tax cut is a temporary break for Americans, but the increased spending is permanent...meaning the joys of the tax cuts are short lived. I don't give a rat's nest what party is going to be in office next year, so long as they are a Fiscal Conservative!!! This economy, with its huge government spending, will continue to experience the decline in the USD, increased gas prices, increased inflation and decreased jobs if we continue to increase government spending and ignore our national debt.



So, this is not a Dubya problem...its a problem that has spanned 15-18 years, and is coming to a head now...as ALL economies do....these problems are not born overnight. The worst thing that lead to this was Greenspan dropping the Fed Funds rate to 1%. Interest rates are the risk of owning money, and so when you remove the risk (which a historic low rate like that is doing) than investors and consumers make irrational decisions...which is where the subprime mess and the credit crunch stem from.



Bush's plan will not remedy the problem. It is merely an attempt to band-aid the issue to get a Republican in office. The Democrats in Congress are doing the same thing to ensure a Democrat gets in...the problem is, both are exerting pressure on the Fed...which is making things worse. Unfortunately, Ron Paul is the only one with a solution and the know how to address this...but I dislike everything else about his platform...so there is no additional incentive to vote for him...he's too liberal...
anonymous
2008-01-21 06:18:00 UTC
I don't think this crackpot plan is going to help at all. I think they'd help the economy a lot more by getting energy costs down. Maybe W could talk to his pals in Saudi Arabia and in the oil industry here and convince them to get by on a couple billion dollars less.

If the Dems are smart, they'll use the same slogan that beat Dubya's dad: It's the economy, stupid.
Kimmy
2008-01-21 06:26:52 UTC
America has gotten poor while Bush's Halliburton and Blackwater buddies have gotten rich. That's why the Economy is in the tank...the toilet tank!



No rebate is going to rejuvenate our economy. Spending billions of dollars -- mostly to independent contractors who waste hundreds of thousands of dollars a day on B.S -- and sending our troops on a seemingly endless mission in a meaningless war effort is shamless.



When Bill Clinton was in office, I was in better financial shape, gas was "only" $1.50 a gallon and money was practically growing on trees.
anonymous
2016-02-04 02:20:30 UTC
economy tank
Allison M
2008-01-21 06:37:09 UTC
www.newswithviews.com is an excellent place to start, you will get the "whole picture" of "why and how" we got in this mess.

I find it interesting that B*sh_it tanked our economy with his insane war spending

Now, he wants to be our "Saviour" - think about the mental manipulation/deception this admin has had over the American Sheeple.
Mencken
2008-01-21 06:19:22 UTC
Bush announces “stimulus” plan as recession fears grip Washington

By Patrick Martin

19 January 2008





The announcement Friday by President George W. Bush of an economic stimulus package, after months and years of declaring that the US economy is “fundamentally sound,” shows that the vast dimensions of the financial crisis have become evident even to the most blinkered “free market” ideologues in Washington.



There was a distinct note of panic in the sudden issuance of a statement, only hours after Bush’s return to the US from a weeklong trip through the Middle East. Bush could give few details of the stimulus package, since they have not been worked out, but instead outlined what he called the broad “principles”: the package should be limited to 1 percent of GDP, or about $140 billion; and it should consist of tax cuts only, with no increase in social spending.



In rejecting any extension of unemployment benefits, greater funding of home heating assistance, or other direct assistance to those hardest hit by the economic crisis, the Bush administration is making it clear that its sole concern is to stabilize the financial markets and prevent a chain reaction collapse. Hundreds of thousands may lose their homes and their jobs, but the federal government is in the business of defending the hedge funds and investment banks, not working people.



In what seemed to be an effort to provide visual reassurance to Wall Street, Vice President Cheney—the former CEO of Halliburton—and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson—the former head of Goldman Sachs investment bank—were placed behind the president during his seven-minute statement, creating a tableau reminiscent of the State of the Union speech.



Bush was careful not to use the word “recession” to describe the economic situation in the United States, claiming, “The economy’s still creating jobs, though at a reduced pace.”



In arguing for a stimulus plan that would not include any increase in social benefits, he declared, “This growth package must be built on broad-based tax relief that will directly affect economic growth, and not the kind of spending projects that would have little immediate impact on our economy.”



The claim that tax cuts rather than increases in public spending have a more immediate impact in stimulating the economy is preposterous nonsense. Even bourgeois economists concede money distributed to the unemployed and poor is spent immediately on consumption goods, and therefore has the quickest possible impact on the economy. Tax cuts, particularly those for business and the wealthy, have a slower effect and may not stimulate economic activity at all, since they can be put aside in savings or used to speculate in the financial markets.



There is good reason to believe—without any details of the exact tax cuts envisioned—that the White House has simply seized on the current crisis as another occasion to pour billions into the pockets of the wealthy, offsetting at least a fraction of the losses incurred in the speculative frenzy in the subprime mortgage market. Bush certainly hinted at this when he concluded his brief speech with another appeal to the Democratic-controlled Congress to make permanent his 2001 tax cuts for the rich. These are currently set to expire in 2010.



The other purpose of the “stimulus” package is to provide political cover for the Republican presidential candidates, who have begun to clamor for some display of action from the administration as the primary campaigns enter their most critical stretch.



The size of the package demonstrates that it is purely a cosmetic gesture. The proposed $140 billion is less than the amount American consumers paid out to the oil companies in increased gasoline prices over the course of last year. It is less than one tenth the estimated losses in home equity suffered by American homeowners during collapse of the housing bubble. And it is utterly insignificant compared to the trillions of dollars at risk as the subprime debacle spreads into wider financial markets, including commercial paper, bank loans and derivatives.



Bush closed his speech with a reminder to his audience that market fluctuations were an essential part of capitalism and had to be allowed to take their course. “We cannot change that fundamental dynamic,” he said, adding, “eliminating risk altogether would also eliminate the innovation and productivity that drives the creation of jobs and wealth in America.”



There are, of course, many varieties of risk. Working people face the risk of losing their homes, their jobs, their economic future. Corporate bosses have golden parachutes like the $115 million that retiring Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozillo will rake in after his bankrupt home lending company was taken over by Bank of America.



Congressional Democrats immediately declared their willingness to work with the White House in a bipartisan effort to pass a stimulus package, accepting the broad outlines of the Bush plan, particularly its derisory size, without a murmur. They could hardly complain that $140 billion was peanuts, since the two leading Democratic presidential candidates, Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama, proposed stimulus packages only half as large last week.



House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who met with Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke Monday and has been in close touch with the White House, said that the stimulus plan could be approved by Congress even before Bush’s last State of the Union address, set for January 28. After a conference call Thursday between Bush and congressional leaders, a White House spokesman said, “I think there was a collective sense that there was no reason why we can’t get something done quickly. I think that was a unanimous feeling on the call.”



Bernanke has already given his blessing to the proposal, testifying before Congress Thursday that a stimulus program of $50 billion to $150 billion was “reasonable.” But he emphasized that it should be temporary because of the likely impact on the federal deficit.



Wall Street’s reaction to Bush’s announcement was one of obvious disappointment. The Dow Jones Industrial Average had been up 180 points in the morning, fueled by higher profit numbers from GE and rumors that the Federal Reserve Board might order an interest rate cut before its scheduled January 30 meeting. After Bush’s remarks—and with no sign of action by the Fed—the New York Stock Exchange plunged 300 points, to 120 points down for the day, before rallying at the end to close with a net loss of 60 points.



The stock market plunge during the first three weeks of January has wiped out far more in paper wealth than Bush’s entire stimulus package. The Dow has lost nearly 9 percent in the first 13 trading days of 2008, and is down over 1,000 points for the year so far. The Dow average has fallen 2,000 points, nearly 15 percent, since the record high of 14,198 last October.



The financial rot goes far deeper than the hundreds of billions already lost in the stock exchange and the subprime mortgage collapse. Economic specialists have begun warning of the danger of a more far-reaching financial debacle.



Nouriel Roubini, an economist at the Stern School of Business at New York University, told the New York Times last week: “We’re facing the risk of a systemic financial crisis. It’s not just subprime mortgages. The same kind of reckless lending has been occurring throughout the financial system. And it’s not only mortgages: Now it’s credit cards and auto loans, where we see problems increasing. The toxic junk is popping up everywhere.”



On his blog, Roubini elaborates on some of the more arcane financial instruments which are now at risk, including such highly speculative forms of gambling as the “credit swap market,” which now accounts for some $43 trillion in paper values. Roubini estimates losses of over $1 trillion in bad investments in such markets.



The systemic aspect of the financial crisis is what frightens Wall Street the most. A case in point is the effective collapse of bond insurers such as Ambac and MBIA. Ambac announced Friday it was abandoning an effort to raise $1 billion in new capital because of the disturbed market conditions. Should such firms go under, the bond market itself could shut down, since no one would be willing to trade.



http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jan2008/econ-j19.shtml


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